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Steve's avatar
Jul 9Edited

As a close observer of the MCU, I approve of this great analysis. The only thing I’d add is Marvel was hurt more by what I’d call politics than the pandemic.

After Endgame, there was an announced effort to diversify the MCU, especially by adding women. That was seen in the Eternals, the first creative and box office disappointment for the MCU. It led to two of the biggest comic book movie failures, The Marvels and now Supergirl.

It’s not that women are rejected per se in these films; Wonder Woman was a huge hit a decade ago. Instead, the push has had two problems. The first is directors and screen writers being hired because they are women instead of because their proven talent in the genre (like Supergirl’s novice scriptwriter). Second, and more importantly, there’s a reluctance to have female characters undergo a hero’s journey because of concerns about them ever appearing weak or incompetent.

I understand that thinking. But the result is overpowered characters who are too perfect to be engaging. Compare the character arcs of, say, Tony Stark and Riri Williams. Or, in a related genre, Luke and Rey in Star Wars.

Pattern recognition now causes many to avoid these films—unfairly in cases like Furiosa—while putting the last Deadpool over $1B. And, critically, the female leads have not grown the female audience. It’s notable that 60% of the opening weekend for Supergirl was male.

Ejnar Håkonsen's avatar

It seems critical that you're excluding the massive drop in quality and audience appeal around 2020.

Streaming and superhero fatigue are certainly aspects, but large swathes of the new content was made with a much lower bar of quality and attempts at audience appeal - instead prioritizing political posturing first at all levels, from the characters and writing to the people hired/promoted to create those stories.

Spider Man famously keeps both the existing spider man and high quality standards. Meanwhile most of the avengers that were replaced have not been able to spark new interest. And the pattern matching has been working against them - so many recent movies in these genres with DEI-based leads also had terrible writing, which now has people shunning even the well-written ones if they give the signs of maybe being another girlboss project with no character arc or growth.

The surprise success of KPop Demon Hunters was in many ways a rejection of the "unfallible girlboss without a character arc"-trope that's been dooming many of the recent superhero and Star Wars projects. With people eagerly embracing great female (and non-white) characters when those tropes are replaced with deep characters and great writing.

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